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spaceminxx said: @catgirlpygmymarmoset there’s literally no difference at all between bisexuality and pansexuality. However that doesn’t stop the main definition being “attraction regardless of gender” with the “regardless” usually meaning trans people. That’s pretty much the definition you get in almost every single article or person using the identity. Why does this matter? Because bisexuality and bisexual history matters. And bi people should be able to call out harm being done to our community.

spaceminxx said: @catgirlpygmymarmoset the statistics really speak for themselves here, bisexual people I know have been asked or accused of being transphobic bc of identifying as bisexual & not pan, our history is often told is “old news” or doesn’t matter because it’s considered outdated in the eyes of pansexuality. Nobody is “harassing?” Pansexual people into identifying as bisexual. But we’re allowed to call out biphobia that’s bred as a direct association from the label. By your friends definition

rubytuesdaysofficial said: @spaceminxx this feels like some performative fight against oppression when we simply are harassing people. if pan people are not the problem then why is the label a problem? I remember this same argument with homosexuality and the outcome was the same: some just don’t want to have sex with trans people. that’s none of my business. the article was nothing but disrespectful people forcing their views on other people trying to be happy. and I don’t want to be that person.

rubytuesdaysofficial said: @spaceminxx but this sort of control and interrogation into how someone chooses to identify their attraction makes me uncomfortable. it reminds me too much of people forcing me to be straight because they didn’t understand my bisexual nature. with the inclusion of trans people in the argument, it feels like the time a gay man said he could not be attracted to me because I was trans. I know a few that identify as bisexual because homosexuality didn’t include trans people

rubytuesdaysofficial said: @spaceminxx I read the article and I have never heard “hearts not parts”. my friend was told pansexuality is “attraction regardless of gender” and I was told bisexuality is “attraction to all/both/multiple genders”. so like I assume there is little difference between the two but my friend thought this distinction mattered. I talked to him some more about this and it never occurred to him that sexuality couldn’t include trans people. …. I’m not sure how to explain it

spaceminxx said: @catgirlpygmymarmoset it’s not Pansexuals as people that are the issue! Rather the bi erasure and the transphobic origins surrounding the label and what it promotes.

spaceminxx said: @catgirlpygmymarmoset I mean…it’s explained in the screenshot. But bisexuality has been described as “attraction to all genders.” Since the 70s. Pansexuality in a lot of definitions has been described since it’s origin as attraction to all genders including trans people (which is obv low-key transphobic) I have some articles and sources if you’d want to look at them to back this up? There’s a master document of pansexuality definitions being biphobic and transphobic for decades

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rubytuesdaysofficial said: @spaceminxx maybe I’m just not getting it, but can you please explain how pansexuality is biphobic? it’s just.. I have a really good friend who’s pan and he’s been nothing but respectful to me. and if he has been hurting me all this time, I need to know how.

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spaceminxx said: @catgirlpygmymarmoset what part of bisexuals speaking out about how harmful it is to imply that the above issues is going to take away from overall queer liberation? Should we just completely ignore these issues because homophobia still exists? Or does this issue make you uncomfortable so we should just ignore it? Because that’s how it comes across. We shouldn’t ignore microaggressions within the community just because there’s still other issues to deal with wtf.

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rubytuesdaysofficial said: @spaceminxx I’ve just never seen any infighting about labels that actually helped people, queer or not. if anything it feels like it divides us. like as a bisexual, I got more in common with a pansexual than a cishet. just because the pansexual doesn’t use bisexual doesn’t mean we don’t fight together. besides I’ve never heard any fighting about this outside of tumblr